DC Television CONSTANTINE, THE FLASH, and IZOMBIE All Get Series Pickups written by Robert Reineke May 8, 2014 It’s a big day for DC Entertainment today as CONSTANTINE got a series pickup by NBC and THE FLASH and IZOMBIE got series pickups from the CW. All three join ARROW and the previously picked up GOTHAM to give DC a massive presence on network television this fall. Along with AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D., THE WALKING DEAD, and, presumably, AGENT CARTER that is going to lead to a massive presence of comic book related content in homes. Possibly too much as I have a hard time imagining them all being ratings winners. Heck, the ratings of AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. show that the weekly grind and heavy competition aren’t easy factors to overcome. Still, we’ve come to a point where comic book shows can fail and it won’t be seen as a referendum on the viability of more comic book shows, but merely the fact that the specific project didn’t capture the audience’s imagination. That’s a good thing. 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When a couple of shows do well, you get more of them. Now that Agent arter has also been confirmed, both DC and Marvel will have a strong presence on live action television. Robert Reineke Agreed. I’ve just started watching Hannibal on NBC. If they can bring that level of craft, or even half that frankly, to Constantine, I think it could be a real winner. Hannibal is also proof that you can get away with a lot more on network television than you used to be able to. texvor That remains to be seen. The problem is if the companies want to keep it merchandise friendly and not story driven. Constantine has the Goyer factor involved, you don’t know if the good one or bad one will show up. As long as they can stay to the themes of the source material than i will be fine. I’m also wondering on how this will change the MMM podcast for TV shows. Will they cover all these shows in one podcast or split them between DC shows or Marvel shows o just pick and choose like they are doing with covering AoS and ignoring Arrow which last couple of episodes have gotten better and better. Robert Reineke I’m hoping for the good Goyer, although realistically his involvement probably ends once series production starts. He’s not going to be an active showrunner with everything else on his plate. He’ll probably have less involvement than Joss Whedon does with AoS. I’m also hopeful that Constantine will benefit from television’s experience with horror. Kolchak and the X-Files are two points where it can draw experience from. Hannibal too. One of the great things of horror is that the best production value is darkness. Darkness is free, which bodes well for a tv series’ budget. We’ll see what Sean has planned. Eight weekly podcasts is probably undoable, although I’ve volunteered for Constantine. At worst, I think there will be regular recaps and reviews. texvor Yes i agree, there has been an evolution of horror on American TV over the years with network television making the big leaps in the genre mainly because they have the most exposure to the general audience. Does anyone remember a show called Brimstone which was the closest thing to Constantine on TV way back? It appeared i think towards the end of Xfiles run. You can join the dots from Universal’s Kolchak(a company with so many properties but hasn’t a clue in what to do with them unless its the Fast and the furious) to the hybrid Xfiles(which was a tribute to the cyniscism concept of Kolchak with the conspicy elements presented in an often forgotten classic show The Invaders) to shows like Dexter sand Hannibal. Hopefully Constantine will be the next progression in TV horror genre. If anything it has to have atomsphere and progress it nicely. But i think the real problem for american shows on network is that they run to long with too many episodes. It doesn’t matter how good the show is this has killed many a great TV show from Desperate Housewifes(which should have stuck to one season) to ,Lost, Heroes and the Xfiles. Whatever you guys decide to do on the podcasts is fine,at least now you guys are spoilt for choice. There was a time which i sure you can relate that there was NOTHING comic book related on TV to get excited about or to watch….Which was why i personally always watched japanese TV because they treated their comic book concepts more seriously when it came to TV and they were more frequent too. How times have changed… stock Interesting that you mention Hannibal, Robert. Its one of the shows that keeps you coming back even though it consistently “jumps the shark.” There are very good episodes, and Madds has invaded my nightmares as well as Cox or Hopkins, but it also has some real head scratchers where you wonder if the production has gone off the rails, and if anyone behind it is taking it seriously anymore. A couple examples this season would be the courtroom episode where no matter how ridiculous a statement is made by either lawyer or witness, no objection is ever offered. And a more recent episode where the background music muffled everything the actors were saying. Kind of frustrating for an otherwise good show. I honestly want the show to follow the books a little better, instead of this mirror version we’re getting. Robert Reineke I’m thinking more of the very good episodes rather than it’s unevenness. But, as a horror tinged show, there’s a lot to appreciate. It gets away with a surprising amount of gore and horror imagery. Obviously,they nailed one of the leads. And the show actually has a surprising amount of visual style for television. Those are all things that Constantine can strive to duplicate and probably are within a network budget. An awful lot will depend on Matt Ryan as JC. If they nailed the casting, and not just the look, they’ll be well ahead in the game. stock If they use it as a lead in to Hannibal, then they will have to keep the tone down a bit, I imagine. 9:00 pm, the kids are still being told to go to bed. My only exposure to it is the Keannu Reeves flick. As for Hannibal, I do wish it would get more police procedural rather than the gore of abstract painting/murder of the week. I’m waiting for him to disfigure Mason Verger and manipulate the Red Dragon from prison. Much more interesting IMO. Robert Reineke If they use it as a lead in. A 10 pm ET slot on Thursday might be an option for NBC. It’s interesting that NBC has embraced horror to an extent. Hannibal, Dracula, and their Rosemary’s Baby mini-series indicate a trend. Along with the success of American Horror Story and The Walking Dead, there’s a definite market. FWIW, I don’t expect this version to be much like the Reeves movie. A lot less action, special effects, and a handsome lead brooding silently, and more of a smartmouthed lead are my expectations. The Hellblazer Constantine solves a lot of problems with his words, and general trickery, so I expect some of that to come into play. Michael Lalaian And now they will be joined by Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season two and Agent Carter! Nayan Desai This is awesome news for DC and, as primarily a DC guy, i am glad that they are leading the way as regards comic book properties on TV. They have led the way for many years in animation and good to see that they taking a pro-active role in making a foothold in the live action TV market. I love Marvel, but Agents of Shield quite frankly isn’t really delivering the goods. Still watchable but lacking something… My theory regarding it being given a 2nd season is that too much is invested in the cross pollination of the cinematic and TV element as regards Marvel’s grand plan and they can afford to give it another season and hope for an upswing in viewing numbers especially with Age Of Ultron heading our way, a lot of good possibilities i would say. Still, it truly is a great time to be a comic book fan! texvor AoS is ok its not bad. We have to see how it fits in when the other Marvel TV Universe shows appear on screen. Robert Reineke From what I’ve heard, there are potentially many other DC characters that could show up on Constantine and The Flash as DC wants to introduce characters and possibilities of spinoffs. I think, like Arrow, that good or bad, we’ll be seeing a lot of DC’s characters pop up in live action. texvor Well i can only see that working with the CW and not as much on the other shows. Were not going to see cross overs of NBC and Fox DC shows or even CW shows on those networks either. Robert Reineke I’m not thinking crossover as much as it’s my understanding that there’s nothing to stop Constantine from having a run in with an old flame, Zatanna, or cross paths with Jason Blood, among other things. texvor I was actually hoping they could save Etrigan for a movie. Imagine if you will that if WB/DC had the balls to do it, they would hire Andy Serkis to portray Jason Blood and Etrigan. He plays him as Jason Blood and via motion capture. as Etrigan. That would be a film worth seeing to see if they get all the right elements i place like writers and directors and the such… w0undedmagic I don’t get the point of an Agent Carter series. *CAP2 SPOILER* She eventually grows old and gets Alzheimer’s. The organization she co-founded (SHIELD) grows into HYDRA. So, my question is: What are the stakes? I loved the One-Shot and would be happy to see more Howard Stark and Howling Commandos, but it seems like a bit of SHIELD overkill. Michael Lalaian It has an inherent “prequel-itus” in that its basically telling us everything we already know and is moving towards inevitable failure for the characters. One intrinsic problem of Star Wars Episodes I-III was that we already knew that the Republic would fall and Anakin would turn to the dark side. It was hard to sit through over six hours of content just to get to a defeat we already know is coming, and it would be no different with this. I JUST endured the reveal of Hydra in TWO separate franchises (C:TWS and AoS), do I really have the patience for more “Ooooo, but is THIS guy Hydra?!” now set in the 1940’s? I don’t know. I’m excited for it because I really like the character of Peggy and I’m unabashedly in love with the MCU (its few warts and all), but I do think its better suited to a mini-series than an ongoing. Besides, TWO separate SHIELD related shows on the same network just seems gratuitous. Robert Reineke Gotham potentially has those same problems as well. For both of them, storytelling better be strong to make us forget that we know where all this is headed. We’ve talked about iZombie the least, but it seems that the ratings bar for renewal on the CW is low and it has arguably the most proven creative team attached. It doesn’t have the name recognition of others, but it also doesn’t have many restrictions on where it can go. Michael Lalaian Very true, but I do see two significant (to me, anyway) differences. First, this is not part of an established Batman continuity, so we don’t know “exactly* where its going. Second, we are not sitting in wait of some tragedy since his parents are already dead, instead we are watching him triumphantly evolve into Batman. Naes1984 But we learned that Yoda happened to know Chewbacca and all storm troopers just happened to be clones of Boba Fett’s dad! That was awesome, right? Anyone? [crickets chirp, tumbleweed blows passed] mrhenry24 There’s no such thing as “prequel-itus.” This is the new hip thing to say about the prequels. It’s excuse making. The prequels were bad because they were bad, not because we already knew what was coming. In the mid-nineties when the prequels were announced, no one, no one at all, said they didn’t want those movies because we already knew the outcome. Everyone was excited to see how we would get there. Everyone wanted to see the famous duel on the volcano between Obi Wan and Vader. The truth is, it’s not about knowing or not knowing, it’s about how you tell the story. Robert Reineke True. But, it’s also true that coming off of Star Wars, nobody had many doubts about Lucas’ ability to tell a story in that universe. Still, I’ll agree that just because we know where a story is headed doesn’t mean that the journey won’t be entertaining. There would be little reason to watch any movie based on historical events if that wasn’t true. Michael Lalaian You’re right, I’m the hippest hip guy to ever hip. I didn’t actually make any excuses in my post, I was merely pointing out some obstacles that are inherent to prequels, regardless of execution. However, I also acknowledge that obstacles may be overcome. Captain America: The First Avenger was arguably a prequel to the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it was my favorite of the phase one movies. The challenge for prequels in general is to not drag out what is already known, and instead really focus on things we never knew about happening in the past. Can Agent Carter and Gotham accomplish this? I hope so. I’m just nervous that the shows will spend a significant amount time on building up things we already know will happen. mrhenry24 I wasn’t poking fun directly at you. I was getting at the fact that you are hardly the only person who has referenced the prequels being bad because we already knew the outcome. This is just the new thing being spouted as the reason they were bad. There’s also the excuse that people don’t like them because they built up these crazy expectations in their minds that no matter what Lucas did, he wouldn’t be able to live up to those ideas, which is also a pretty weak argument. Your reference to Captain America is spot on. We all knew the ending to that film, but I agree that it was probably the best phase one film from Marvel. I have concerns about Gotham as well right now, especially after the show runner’s comments from the other day. It just sounds like he doesn’t understand the world he’s playing in. And even considering putting the Joker (or some pre-Joker version of his character) in that show when Bruce is 12 is just wrong headed. texvor Not really because after seeing TWS its obvious that elements from the past are coming into play in the modern Marvel Cinematic Universe. After seeing Iron Man 2 again some of the references that didn’t mean anything when that movie came out, now ties in with the events of TWS specifically concerning Shield. And don’t you think they will use Zola to appear in that show in guest appearences as well as Tommy Lee Jones?