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Star Wars With Friends #2: EPISODE II- ATTACK OF THE CLONES

Begun, the Clone War has! Star Wars With Friends continues with our commentary for EPISODE II- ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Clonetroopers in action, Boba Fett, Yoda to the rescue, and a timeless romance! We truly, deeply, love this movie!

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  • Adrian Edmondson

    Certainly the worst outta the bunch , only the last fight with Yoda saved it for me . Looking forward to listening to the gangs thoughts .

    • Hey berto

      In some ways that fight shouldn’t work, but it just does.. it could’ve been a caricature, but it wasn’t. The one part that still doesn’t ring true about it (and there’s really no way around it) is the character hobbling up.. unleashing the fury, then hobbling away after. I suppose you can say he uses the force to channel his strength, but that’s all assumption. If it were me, I think I would’ve had Yoda appear visibly spent after the fight. But that’s just me.

  • Michael

    1.) The thing that bothered me about making the bounty hunter Boba Fett’s father is that there was no narrative reason for it within the context of Episode II. It was pure fan service. The Bounty Hunter model for the clones could have been anyone. To make it some pre-existing character, or related to a preexisting character is just lazy. I mean imagine if they’d put a little more thought into it, we could’ve gotten something like “Cad Bane”.

    Further it’s indicative of the philosophy of the prequels, which is retrofitting the original movies to fit new information rather then presenting new information that builds on the foundation of the original films.

    If they were going to make Jango Boba’s father, then they shouldn’t of re-dubbed Empire. What they should of done is track down Jason Wingreen and had him dub Jango’s dialogue anytime he was wearing the helmet. Not only would this preserve the original performance, but it actually would have enhanced the story of Episode II. Jango’s identity is supposed to be a mystery. Giving him a different voice when he wears the helmet means the audience wouldn’t be able to identify him that way. This in turn, would give him a further layer of concealment. And it would have also foreshadowed Darth Vader, because his helmet used a voice modifier also.

    2.) The funny thing is, I’m pretty sure the nickname “Anni” was present in the original Star Wars. Alec Guiness has the line “He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I understand you’ve become quite a good pilot yourself. And he was a good friend.” But he could easily be saying “Ani was a good friend.” And I think the line (as originally scripted) was “Ani.”

    The reason I think this is because every script of A New Hope that I’ve read (that featured the line as “And He”) has Obi-Wan listening to Leia’s message *after* he gives Luke his lightsaber (and talks about Luke’s father, Vader, and the Clone Wars).

    But according to “STAR WARS: The Annotated Screenplays” the original intention was for Obi-Wan to listen to the message *before* the exposition dump. They even (supposedly) filmed it this way. Then it was suggested during editing that it didn’t make sense; That they wouldn’t have this long conversation after hearing that the princess had been captured. So they re-edited it the other way around.

    3.) I don’t think they would have gotten away with calling him Dracula. But they probably could’ve of managed “Count Dracul”.

    • Darren James Seeley

      I can go one better. When I attended my high school reunion, there were classmates who moved to other parts of the states. When they spoke, they had a southern accent as opposed to a northern one. “Clones” is always too literally in SF; each clone is still an individual and will adapt different behaviors. If you had one clone living in the US and another living in France, lets say, wouldn’t be likely that one wouldhave a French accent and/or speaks French and the other did not? Or if you smoked, your voice could change.

    • ElrondL

      Can’t agree more on 1). Boba’s re-dubbed lines in Empire have lost all of their menace and made him a joke. Temuera Morrison phoned in his delivery (or he simply never watched “Empire”) and they have no bite. He might as well be narrating a New Zealand travelogue. It’s tainted all of Boba’s scenes — Jason Wingreen was awesome and it’s a slap in the face to his work.

  • Michael Lalaian

    Oh man. The only time I’ve immediately rewinded a podcast was for Justin’s Watto Slattery. Classic.

    I know people really hate the Naboo scenes in this film, but I personally love them from an aesthetic standpoint. The houses on lake, the Italian-inspired architecture, even the gondola ride, all of that is just really beautiful to look at. The only Naboo stuff I really don’t like from a visual standpoint is the super CGIed fake waterfall stuff.

  • Michael Lalaian

    One moral issue I always wanted to actually see explored was the Jedi supporting the creation of life for the sole purpose of killing it. That’s basically what the clones are; beings brought to life only to give it up in war. I don’t know if that’s explored in any of the books or on The Clone Wars show, but the the fact that no one brings it up in the films is a huge oversight to me.

    • stock

      That’s my whole issue with the prequels. Death means nothing to a soulless robot, nor presumably to a soulless army of raised clones. It’s literally Lucas attempting to show grand spectacle and violence with no real emotional attachment or consequence. And it’s frustratingly lazy, IMO.
      Obi Wan’s fight with Jango is the best part of the movie visually for me. At least u know the combatants are real people.

  • Naes1984

    My one sentence review of AOTC: A swing and a huge miss.

    On the issue of the clone army being disposable lifeforms: It’s clear Lucas clearly never even considered the issue for a nano-second. The clones are slaves who have no vote in the galactic affairs that doom millions of their brothers to be slaughtered on faraway planets. They fight for a “Republic” where they have no civil rights. Why shouldn’t the citizens of the republic defend their republic? Where is the clone senator for instance making the concerns of the clones known to the Senate? He doesn’t exist. The unelected Jedi use them as cannon fodder, and I doubt they mourn the dead clones. An argument could be made that the Jedi are just as amoral as the Sith as a result of bad writing (for instance not even thinking to buy Anakin’s mother out of slavery. Why the hell not?).
    The Clone Wars should have involved the Jedi and drafted Republic citizens (later to be the stormtroopers) leaving their homes and families fighting against a cloned army of aliens or monsters. Instead we get a battle between robots and termites vs. disposable clones and stuffy monks. How thrilling. Added to this, why do I care about saving the republic? It’s intentionally portrayed as so undemocratic, so corrupt, so impotent, so in the thralls of factions, why not let the Separatists breakaway? The love story is painful. Queen Amadala is Eva Braun after finding out Adolf Anakin butchered a village and she is complicit in his crimes. Obi-Wan is a lousy detective and his “mystery” plot is meandering. The fact that the Jedi use an illegal clone army that appears out of nowhere at just the right moment (clearly designed to be a trap for them) shows how unintelligent they are written in order to advance the plot. The clones all being based off of Jango Fett is risible. The idea that a republic of 100,000 systems doesn’t have a military is absurd. The Sith playing both sides would be logically and logistically impossible; it’s also totally unnecessary.
    There’s a good reason this is considered the worst Star Wars movie and is the lowest grossing.

    • stock

      “Tell me, Major Lawrence, what attracts you particularly to the desert?”

      “It’s clean.”

  • Dave

    I enjoyed your commentary, but feel that the panel is too quick to accept bad moments with the broad-brush comment “well, George was trying to appeal to kids”. That is an excuse and it’s not even accurate. There are plenty of movies for kids that are moving, funny, and interesting to all ages. Nobody watches Toy Story and says “well, it’s OK that this is dumb because it’s for kids.” We all love Star Wars, but you don’t have to apologize for it when it’s bad.

  • Darren James Seeley

    If it wasn’t for the fact that watching Attack with this commentary wasn’t a different viewing experience, I would have quit your commentary about halfway in. I got tired of hearing how “this scene was bad” and how “these FX are bad” this dialog “was grating” and so on. While I like the OT better than the prequels, I don’t knock the prequels too much because the FX were top notch. I took *huge objection* to one bullet point- if filmmakers want to break ground on their own films, there’s nothing wrong with that.