Television Weekly Ratings Roundup: January 25, 2015 to January 31, 2015 written by Robert Reineke February 1, 2015 For the first time since December we had five first-run shows from DC and Marvel on the air. Three have already been renewed for next season and two are still up in the air. Let’s look at the numbers. First up is GOTHAM on Monday night which slipped to a series low 2.1 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 6.04 million total viewers. GOTHAM is behaving a lot like AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. did in its first season, just without the rapid fall in the ratings. Still, Fox has to be happy, as it’s very competitive on Monday night and the network doesn’t have many shows, outside EMPIRE, that can say that. GOTHAM appears to be bringing in Jonathan Crane for February sweeps. We’ll see if they get a boost out of that. That’s about the only drama with the ratings for GOTHAM. Getting the show to run on all cylinders from a critical perspective is another thing. THE FLASH followed on Tuesday and slipped from its rock solid 1.4 rating in the 18-49 demographic all the way down to a 1.3 rating and 4.08 million viewers. It’s still easily CW’s highest rated show and has already been renewed. We’ll have to see what they have up their sleeves for February sweeps, but there’s no question that this has been a big success story for the CW. Otherwise, nothing to talk about in regards to THE FLASH. AGENT CARTER, on the other hand, slid down all the way to a 1.3 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 4.63 million viewers despite solid reviews. I don’t know what the cancellation level is for Marvel’s shows, but you have to think that a 1.3 rating for one of the big three networks has to put it in bubble territory. If it stabilizes there, maybe it will come back. If it continues to drop, it will be increasingly likely that 8 episodes of AGENT CARTER are all we get. I’d love to hear theories on why viewers think AGENT CARTER isn’t catching on. I have a few. For one, Peggy Carter was only a major character in one of the least seen of Marvel’s movies. For another, a period piece is a tough sell, in particular if the present Marvel universe is one of the attractions of the show. Feel free to discuss those theories or add your own below. ARROW was flat from its previous week on Wednesday with a 1.1 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 2.87 million viewers, both near season highs. Both the crossover with THE FLASH and the duel with Ra’s al Ghul seem to have given the show a shot in the arm and the show is running with its new momentum. Again, ARROW has been renewed and it has just solidified its spot as the second most popular show on the CW. They can run with the show as long as they feel like. Probably a minimum of five seasons. However, given the limited slots available on the CW and the relative popularity of DC comics superheroes, is there a chance that they won’t run 10 years but instead finish their story and spin off something else? Clearly, they’re thinking about the Atom as a possibility. Maybe they’ll hold off on that for a bit rather than make the CW into the DC network. Finally, CONSTANTINE tried to make a go of it in its new time slot and the results weren’t any more promising as it fell to a 0.8 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 3.30 million viewers overall. Those numbers are fine for a CW show, but not for a NBC show, even on a Friday night. I can see Warner Bros. deciding that the show is worth saving. However, I can’t see it returning to the NBC fall schedule at this point. If it returns at all, I expect it will be a summer series or it will shift to the CW or another network. I can’t think of too many other options. I would like to see more of Matt Ryan as Constantine, so I’m hoping that there’s a fallback option. If CONSTANTINE returns, I do think that it would do well to bring in the DC supernatural guest stars. The highest rated episode since the premiere was the Jim Corrigan episode. A tenth or two-tenths of a ratings point would go a long ways for a show on the bubble. There’s really no reason that characters like Zatanna, Baron Winters, the Phantom Stranger, or Jason Blood couldn’t make appearances. Yeah, Etrigan or Swamp Thing would be more problematic, but Swamp Thing at least has some name recognition. If season one has had some missed opportunities, I’d say not utilizing other DC characters is one of the biggest. Again, I’d welcome any and all thoughts on CONSTANTINE as well. 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August 22, 2015 REVOLUTION: Season Two Review- “Dead Man Walking” October 31, 2013 Ian I think that the gap between the release of The First Avenger and Agent Carter has had an effect on its ratings. Like you said Mr. Reineke, she was a minor character in a movie four years ago. The general public, by and large, has a short attention span and a shorter memory. Perhaps a flashback in Winter Soldier with Peggy or the Howling Commandoes would have benefited the show (though I wouldn’t change a thing about that film). MrDean245 . I watch these shows each and every week, but I’ve dropped Agent Carter already, for no other reason than its dull. These shows aren’t perfect, they aren’t meant to be Breaking Bad or True Detective, but they are meant to be fun, fantastical and be related to a comic book character or story. Marvel doesn’t seem to have learned its lesson from the lack of it’s audiences requirements, repeating the same mistakes as they did with S1 of AOS. They’ve repeated the same mistake with a show except this time it’s set in the 1940s, and full of polite cliche’s. I’d rank these shows as follows; The Flash 8/10 Arrow 7/10 Constantine 6/10 AOS 6/10 Gotham 5/10 Agent Carter 3/10 Zappy Speaking for myself, I ditched Carter after the pilot because, apart from it yes being dull, I also didn’t feel like being constantly scolded for being male, and didn’t feel like being preached to that, while men are okay, women are almost invariably more competent than men at pretty much everything. Ugh, no thanks. Madn I agree, As someone who wanted to like the show because of its strong female lead, I feel uncomfortable with the show’s one-note depiction of sexism in that era. There’s no subtlety in that regard. It’s completely valid and necessary to show the difficulties of working women in that period, but when you use caricatures of male sexism to get that point across every single time, it does feel very preachy. Robert Reineke Yeah, that the men are largely caricatures is something I’ve heard as a consistent criticism of Agent Carter. Something like Downton Abbey seems to do a good job of addressing the social issues of its era, but not simplifying them into black and white/heroes and villains. Admittedly that’s a drama/melodrama and Agent Carter is an action show, but it shows that it’s possible on a currently popular television show. Sean Gerber I understand the criticism and see where it comes from, but I’m not all that bothered by how men are characterized on the show, nor do I feel anyone is being scolded (referring to the comment above and not yours, Robert). Sexism in the workplace might be a little over-the-top on the show, but it’s not difficult for me to imagine that there was indeed over-the-top, blatant sexism in many workplaces in 1946. I wasn’t around, obviously, but this is an era that predates many of our currents laws, policies, and practices regarding sexual discrimination, sexual harassment, and hostile work environments. Those things exist now because behavior not unlike what we see in AGENT CARTER actually happened. I get the desire for subtlety and nuance, but I’ll bet there are women who worked in that era or soon after who could verify that much of the behavior they saw wasn’t all that subtle. I’ve been through the mandatory sexual harassment trainings that come when hired on to join the corporate world. In those trainings, I’ve been shown examples of actual cases that are far more blatant than what I’ve seen Peggy Carter endure. Finally, AGENT CARTER does provide some balance here. Not every male character is a blatant sexist. Sousa isn’t and neither is Jarvis. Dum Dum Dugan seems to be treating Peggy as an equal in the clip from tomorrow’s episode. Adrian And if you look at the numbers, Peggy has Sousa, Jarvis, Stark, and the Howling Commandos on her side. Opposite her are only Dooley and Thompson now. I’d say that’s a good ratio of decent men represented. T.J. AGENT CARTER is a solid show, but the only people really familiar with the character are people like us who are big time comics / MCU geeks. It also suffers from being superhero-adjacent like SMALLVILLE and GOTHAM. THE FLASH and ARROW continuing to have success on the CW should be a signal to the TV types – people don’t want to watch superhero-adjacent TV; they want to watch superheroes on TV. Michael Lalaian Was Agent Carter intended to be a show with a chance at coming back for a second season? I always approached it as an “event,” or mini-series, not an ongoing. Personally, I really hope it doesn’t come back. While I like filling in the gaps of the MCU with flash backs or mini-series like this, I wouldn’t want an ongoing series set in the past, because there’s only so much you can do there before you start stepping on the toes of the rest of the present day universe. It’s already questionable just how advanced some of this technology is within the Marvel timeline. In Iron Man 2, Howard Stark says he needs Tony to finish his work because he was “limited by the technology of my time.” The technology doesn’t seem very limited here, especially when you have implosion bombs and such. Sean Gerber I’ve seen interviews with writers and executive producers who’ve discussed the desire to do a second season, if the show does well enough. I’m not sure if Marvel Television had the same idea, but I don’t think any plans for AGENT CARTER are significantly long-term. I’m confident that any future seasons would be short, 8-episode events such as this. If AGENT CARTER continues, I think the best thing to do is take bigger jumps forward in time. Sebastian Stan has a fairly open schedule, so a hunt for The Winter Soldier would be fun. Robert Reineke I’m of the opinion, that if the ratings warranted it, everyone involved would be happy to come back. If Agent Carter was getting Gotham types of numbers, I don’t doubt it would be back. A hunt for the Winter Soldier or some sort of version of 50s Captain America would seem to have more popular appeal. Michael Lalaian I completely agree, but I would view that more as a separate mini-series than Agent Carter season 2. In fact, each “in between” series for Agents of SHIELD could focus on another decade. This is set in the 40’s, but you could have a cold war, “Atlas Era” Winter Soldier series set in the 50’s, and then a 60’s “silver age” take on Hank Pym as the Ant-Man. Each only eight or so episodes and each in between the two halves of a given Agents of SHIELD season. That’s personally how I would like to see it go. At the same time, I’m never going to complain about more MCU content, as long as the quality is there. Sean Gerber I think something to do with The Winter Soldier could be pretty incredible early next year. Staying within the frame of AGENT CARTER, if The Winter Soldier is linked at all to the demise of Howard Stark, that’d be a pretty cool tie-in for CIVIL WAR while also being an interesting story in and of itself. Sean Gerber Regarding AGENT CARTER’s ratings, I’d be curious to know what Marvel and ABC’s hopes or projections were. A strong female lead in an arena dominated by men is compelling, but can also be found more commonly on television than in movies. As Robert noted, Peggy Carter was a significant supporting character in, if you go by box office numbers, a Marvel Studios movie with fewer viewers than any other, save for THE INCREDIBLE HULK. No doubt, the early demand for this series came from the diehards who will give anything Marvel puts out a chance. I suppose you could say the same thing about AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. It wasn’t your average moviegoer hoping to see the story of the people working on the Helicarrier. It was the vocal minority and their “Coulson Lives” hashtag that got Clark Gregg back on the Marvel payroll. Just ask him. None of this is to say that Marvel needs to stop listening to its fans. Overall, Marvel does a better job than anyone of serving its base while maintaining broad appeal. Perhaps they’ve gone a little too narrow with these ABC shows, but the quality of the shows has actually been quite good in my book, especially AC and season two of AOS. And of course, ratings no longer tell the whole story when it comes to the success of a show. I’d be interested to see more data on the bigger picture of how well these shows are doing for Marvel via other revenue channels including streaming services, home release, merchandise, etc. Adrian Is there a reliable source established that gives up-to-date ratings and views as far as streaming and whatnot goes? Live +7 and all that? Robert Reineke Yeah, I’d be interested in what ABC’s expectations were. That said, I have to assume that there’s some expectation that people are watching live and watching ads. I expect that ABC is committed to airing a Marvel show, but I don’t know that they’re necessarily committed to AGENT CARTER over spinoffs like DEATHLOK or MOCKINGBIRD, to name two alternatives.