DCMarvel Marvel & DC: Unite the Two. written by Jake Lane April 17, 2015 I could hardly sleep last night, for a variety of reasons. I’ll be attending Saturday’s events at Star Wars Celebration, where I’ll be meeting and hanging out with some fellow Modern Myth Media members and people that I call my friends. This, coupled with the fact that we all got to see the brand new Star Wars: The Force Awakens trailer (epically good!) while also getting information as to when and how we can see the trailer for Batman v Superman, has me on the edge of my seat with excitement. And I didn’t even mention Marvel’s The Avengers: Age of Ultron is being released! All of this should be, in theory, uniting the fans of the genre, bringing us together to form a fan supergroup between DC and Marvel. But that’s not happening. Not at all. And it’s really starting to piss me off. What I really wanted to do was take screen grabs of petty “fans” from Twitter to showcase my points of why it’s becoming toxic between the viewers of these two iconic comic/film distributors (WB in DC’s case). But I decided against that for two reasons- 1) I refuse to put their opinions out there even further and create traffic on their social media page when I don’t respect or agree with their fanboy rage and 2) I simply don’t want to stoop to their level of finger pointing. This article is meant to be a peace treaty of sorts, to try to lay a foundation for those who read this article to understand that it’s ok… more than ok… to be fans of both Marvel and DC films. I’m keeping this specific to the film properties, as I haven’t seen nearly (not even close) as much bashing between the two about the comicbooks each distribute, respectively. And guess what? It’s also entirely fine to be a fan of just the Marvel films or just the DC films. But if that’s the case, guess what you need to do? Be cool and stop actively, the latter being the key word, hating on the other. Instead of negatively spewing venom towards something you don’t like, simply show support and wish it well, because there are people out there that love it and genuinely want it to succeed. We’ve been blessed in a way that, at this point, is rather ridiculous. Over at Marvel, we have an entire universe built upon The Avengers that’s expanding into new(er) territory by bringing in everyone’s friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. I mean, that alone has me psyched. And I’m sure I Was just like most of the readers last weekend, binge watching Marvel’s Daredevil on Netflix. Daredevil is, by far, my favorite Marvel character of all-time, which shouldn’t come as a massive surprise given my favorite character over at DC (Batman). Daredevil was unlike anything Marvel has produced yet, bringing the darkness and grittiness that was (absolutely) needed when telling Matt Murdoch’s life. I’ve long stated that this is the one character in Marvel’s wheelhouse that needs to be as dark as Batman, and they took that ball and ran with it. It’s perfect, in my opinion. And while I’ll save my expanded opinions on that project for a later article or podcast, I just wanted it to be on record that I highly enjoy what Marvel is doing with their properties. I’m excited for roll out of Phase 3 and I’m excited to see how they’ll bring it all together while expanding at the same time. They have a ton of work ahead of them to keep the momentum rolling, and they simply aren’t backing down. I’m all in and looking forward to it. But guess what? I’m equally as excited for the game plan WB has set up for the DC Cinematic Universe, beginning what one of my favorite films of 2013- Man of Steel. Looking back, I never thought, even for a second, that, upon viewing this film, it would be so dissected and analyzed, like a project being submitted for a world wide science project. The commentary from fans and “fans” of Superman has been deafening and I’m still sort of dumbfounded as to what that’s meant to project. I’ll be the first to admit that I wasn’t excited once Zack Snyder came on board the project. I never saw 300 (at the time) and, while I liked Watchmen, I didn’t think Superman needed that type of storyteller directing where the franchise went. However, when I sat down in that theater and the Krypton war started, for 20 minutes I was taken on a ride that, for me personally, made me an instant fan of Snyder. And while those 20 minutes made me a fan, it was the rest of the film that made me a believer in his as a filmmaker. I loved Man of Steel. I felt connected to this film for many reasons, the biggest being the tremendous father/son relationship between Jonathan and Clark. I was pulled into those scenes because I have a son, a life that I’d do anything to protect and encourage, build up and save. But the debate about this film has always been what’s “wrong” with it, as opposed to what it got right (far more, in my opinion). Are there things I didn’t care for? Sure. But I’m not going to fixate on them for months and years, using those particular things as the only fuel to my ever-flickering fanboy flame. I assessed what I didn’t enjoy about the film with what I did enjoy about the film and, wouldn’t you know it, the positives outweighed the negatives and I’m in full support of Snyder’s Superman film. I do this with most films of the genre, as I’m sure we all do: we critique it and ultimately determine, given what we liked and disliked about the film, if we liked it or not. I really liked Iron Man. Was I a fan of Terrence Howard or his acting in the film? No. But am I going to sit there and bash him and send angry tweets about his performance? Absolutely not. That’s childish and in a world full of misinformed people and “fans,” I simply won’t put more coal on that fire. I’m on record saying that I truly love Thor, Iron Man 3 (unpopular, I guess, but it’s just a great film), Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America: Winter Soldier. These films all have things I’ve critiqued about them, things I watched and re-watched and thought “well, they could have changed that bit of dialogue or re-worked that to make it feel better” blah blah blah. But that’s as far as it goes: critiques and reviews. I don’t ever want Marvel to stop building upon their universe. I want them to get better, and so far they have. Hell, I’m even on record saying that I, personally, don’t feel that The Avengers holds up that well as an individual film. Did I enjoy it when it came out? Yes. But upon recent viewings, I just don’t find it to be as good a film (or even close) to the films that have been made around it. I’ll also admit that it could be because I saw Winter Soldier and Iron Man 3, two films I’m very high on, before I saw TA. But just because I don’t think it holds up well doesn’t mean I didn’t want them to make Age of Ultron. Ultimately, I can only hope that the sequel works better because all of these characters are now acquainted with each other and know each other, so we can just jump right in to the story instead of needing an hour to round up the troops and then get to the problem. Again: support is shown even when I didn’t love it. Marvel took a massive risk on Iron Man, especially when casting an on-the-mend Robert Downey Jr. I’m not as Marvel savvy as some people, so I don’t know if the plan was to always have IM be the beginning of their universe or if they were winging it, saw the success, and thought “let’s do this!” I don’t know. All I know is that what they’re doing is working for them. Have they had some missteps? Definitely. But they fix use those missteps as building blocks, making a batter film the next time around. It’s unfair and unjust to say that WB/DC need to take this same approach. They have their own guideline, their own plan, and I, for one, am excited to see where it goes. WB/DC have announced plans for The Flash, Aquaman, Suicide Squad (currently filming), Wonder Woman (with the talented Patty Jenkins taking over at the helm), Cyborg, Green Lantern, 2 Justice League films AND solo films for both Batman and Superman, respectively. That’s a ton of films over the next 6 years. So how is that not a plan? Seems like a plan to me, especially considering how they’ve staggered the release dates from now 2016-2020. They’ve also hired impressive storytellers to come in participate in these projects. David Ayer. Patty Jenkins. It’s been rumored that Ben Affleck will direct himself (and Jared Letto’s Joker, I hope) in a solo Batman film. David Wan (Furious 7) is said to be very high on WB’s list to helm the Aquaman solo adventure. It’s also been recently announced that Phil Lord and Chris Miller (The Lego Movie, 21/22 Jump Street) have been hired to write the story for the solo Flash film. That’s a massive amount of talent involved for projects that are massively important to WB. WB’s approach might be a slow burn for some people, but that’s what happens when we live in an instant/click refresh/technological world now: hurry up and show me. I refuse. I don’t want WB (or Marvel) to hurry up and show me anything. I want them to take their time, get it right, and unveil the final product while I geek the hell out in a packed movie theater. That’s what I want. And that’s what I want for you, too. I created a character awhile ago as a way to poke fun at the “fanboys” and show them their true colors. Ra’s Al Cool was meant to parody a certain group of people that just didn’t realize or understand how ridiculous they were being with their uneducated comments and opinions. So I, very openly, turned the tables on them. What I never expected was that, in a matter of a couple of years, real Ra’s Al Cool’s would rise up and multiple, creating a larger voice for their antics and childish behavior. It’s embarrassing and it’s at the point that it just has to stop. HAS TO. If all you want to do is bash and pick, starting fights (much different than debating) with people just because of the films they like or don’t like, this isn’t for you. You’re too far gone to appreciate what either of these studios, or their fans, are doing. But if you want to openly support and root for both Marvel and DC (WB) films, to champion them, even when you think they’ve misfired, then this is for you. Modern Myth Media is for you. And we’ll support that. I don’t always like everything about Marvel or DC, but I’ll never stop wanting them to make great things, because when they make great things- WE ALL WIN. Marvel & DC: Unite the Two. was last modified: February 20th, 2016 by Jake Lane Related Avengers: Age of UltronBatman v Superman: Dawn of JusticeMarvelMarvel Cinematic Universe 18 comments 0 Facebook Twitter Google + Pinterest Jake Lane previous post Check Out Photos From Day 1 Of STAR WARS CELEBRATION! next post Oscar Winner John Ridley Bringing More Marvel To ABC You may also like Weekly Ratings Roundup: March 13 to 19,... March 20, 2016 SDCC 2015 Show Floor Offers Plenty To... July 9, 2015 Modern Myth Media Podcast #256: State Of... July 12, 2016 New THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Images December 3, 2013 Marvel Slings a Web Series July 11, 2013 Something Is Rotten In The State Of... April 22, 2016 Funko Invites You To Join The MARVEL... January 29, 2015 10 Plausible Oscar Nominations For Future Superhero... February 29, 2016 DC To Launch 24 New Titles! February 6, 2015 THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Clips Released March 12, 2014 Matthew ramsaur Well said. There are movies on both sides I’ve disliked and others I’ve loved. The Internet can breed mass amounts of hate and vitriol because of the anonymity that it gives. It’s way too much effort to hate something and make sure your voice overpowers someone else’s positivity. I am also excited to go to Star Wars Celebration this Saturday and spend the day with friends and people that share my genuine love for that universe. Good job Jake and keep it up. Adrian For me, I don’t like Man of Steel. At all. There are maybe a couple moments or scenes I like but that’s about it. That, being WB’s introduction to their DCCU, makes me skeptical because of their bad first impression. Again, in my opinion. That said, I would never send hate to anyone or really badmouth anything on the Internet. I don’t even use my Twitter to tweet. Just for news and fun banter. Despite that, I’m hoping to be impressed with Batman v. Superman and I’m really intrigued by Suicide Squad. I’ll admit, I watched the bootleg trailer for the former and while I get the angle they’re going for, I don’t much care for it. That being said, I do believe in leaving negative thoughts at the door once I walk into a theater. I have been pleasantly surprised doing that in the past. Adrian Edmondson Great , well thought out article Robert. That last paragraph sums up my feelings exactly , we all win . pud333 The only thing I have to say about the idiots starting flame wars over DC and Marvel movies is this: Everything eventually comes to an end. Enjoy it while it lasts, because you’ll all be sorry when it’s gone. There are so many things to like and dislike about both DC and Marvel movies. I will admit that sometimes when I see gushing reviews over movies that I felt were personally very weak or flat out terrible, it makes me think a lot of fans have a blind spot for just how bad some of these superhero movies have been. But there is much more to celebrate than bash as far as I’m concerned. What I’m excited for from the big two: From Marvel, I am excited to see the post Avengers 2 / Civil War roster. I am personally quite bored now of the current roster, so I’m glad Marvel is showing another side with shows like Daredevil (even though I admit it feels like I’m watching Arrow and vice versa sometimes, at least thematically. Yeah yeah, I get it. You gotta save your city. haha). Don’t get me wrong, I’m gonna enjoy the shit out of Avengers 2 probably. I just want to see something different. Tell you the truth, I’m more excited about Civil War and Spidey’s inclusion than I am for Avengers 2. From DC, it is obviously BvS and Suicide Squad. I thought Man of Steel was amazing. Not perfect, and it is not 100% the Superman I envisioned, but I felt a lot of the criticisms against the film were weak or had no merit. A lot of the questions people had about the movie, or concerns about it, were actually all addressed within the film itself. Those people just weren’t paying attention. I still hate Jonathan’s death though. It didn’t sit well with me when I first saw it, and on subsequent viewings, it gets worse and worse to the point where I just flat out skip over that scene now. I am also excited that we could potentially, finally, get Bat-God on the big screen. As much as I love Nolan’s Batman trilogy, Batman makes a bunch of dumb mistakes that, as a fan of Morrison’s Bat-god, sometimes gets frustrating. If Batman is gonna hang with the rest of the JL, he’s gotta be Bat-god. End of story. haha. Dennis Ramirez Okay, I agree with most of your points, but did you really just compare Daredevil to Arrow? Blasphemy! Blasphemy, I say! I’m jesting, of course. The two do have similarities, but in my opinion, if we’re talking quality, Arrow doesn’t even come close. And that’s coming from someone who likes Arrow. But again, that’s just my opinion. Also, I’m right with you on Jonathan’s death scene. Can’t stand it. Dying to save a dog? Really? pud333 They’re not exactly the same but they’re very similar in theme and even some tone. Dark vigilante looking to save his city. There are obvious differences but it’s like comparing two cop procedurals. It’s not a knock. I’ve just been having a bit of déjà vu. Ander Stephens While I appreciate the sentiment, this piece is just the author giving us his opinion on most of the recent films in the genre with a tacked-on plea for civility between fans of differing tastes at the end (that also doubles as a not-so-sly advertisement for MMM). The piece, frankly, comes across as self-obsessed… and as such, I don’t think it rises much above the kind of narrow, hyper-opinionated thinking that leads to the negative behaviour in fandom the piece itself is criticizing. The “it’s okay to like both” crowd is quickly becoming as obnoxiously triumphalist and self-righteous as the partisan fanboys it despises, and this op-ed is disappointingly a perfect example of that. TheTingler Um… yeah… Ander Stephens Translation: This op-ed doesn’t actually offer any solutions about how to unite fandom, it’s mostly just the author bragging about how fair and non-partisan towards Marvel and DC he is… which is just as absurd and annoying as the overtly partisan behaviour in fandom he’s criticizing. Sean Gerber I’m a fan of both and always have been. Being a fan of both gives me more of everything to look forward to, including comics, movies, and television. Still, I understand others only being interested in Marvel or DC, not both. There are a number of reasons for that- time, money, or just plain, general preference. It’s all good. Where I see a problem is those who know (or should know) that they only care for one spending so much time speaking/tweeting negatively about the other. Perhaps it’s not so much a problem as it is my lack of understanding as to why anyone would want to spend so much time discussing a subject they do not like. It just seems like a waste when more time could be spent discussing subjects that are actually enjoyed, or doing entirely different activities away from superhero discussion. This is not to say that a DC fan cannot be critical of Marvel content and vice versa, but there ought to be some self-awareness factored in. Browse through your tweets and see if there’s a trend. If you notice that you always say positive things about one and negative things about the other, then you should probably be aware that your preferences are well established and perhaps it’s time to focus on the one you like. Speaking of focus, it’s also best for all involved in the conversation to keep it centered on the topic at hand. The release of a DC movie trailer has nothing to do with Marvel, just as a Marvel news story has nothing to do with DC unless the story really and truly mentions both. It you think a trailer is awesome, then let it be awesome and focus on its awesomeness without bringing up something else you find significantly less awesome. I love the new STAR WARS trailer, so do I need to point out how much better it is than the new TERMINATOR trailer I don’t like? Of course not because the conversation has nothing to do with TERMINATOR. The same goes for Marvel and DC. Finally, I’ll just point out that while certain behavior is annoying, the best thing to do is not engage. In an internet conversation, you are not going to change someone’s mind regarding their superhero preferences any more than you could reshape someone’s views about religion. You’d probably have better luck with the latter, actually. If you’re a DC fan and you find yourself being irked quite regularly by someone who always has something good to say about Marvel and bad things to say about DC, then you have the ability to take their bias into account, even if they don’t, and unfollow, mute, or block them accordingly. The same goes for Marvel fans who see people only saying nice things about DC and negative things about Marvel. There’s no real way to stop the fan behavior that annoys us, but we are in full control of how we allow it to impact us and what we do in response. The best thing you can do about bad noise, at least when it’s about relatively trivial matters like which brand of superheroes one likes, is to let if fall on deaf ears. Adrian Edmondson If I could upvote this a million times I would . Marvel troll This article is total bull. Don’t even start PRETENDING that this is a situation where the hatred is balanced. The hate for DC is so much stronger from the MCU bandwagon, and unfairly so. Go to the Facebook page for Flash and Arrow and you’ll see annoying Daredevil fans declaring victory about how Daredevil makes the other two shows unwatchable. Don’t make it sound like everything is all lovely-dovey and we should all hold hands when there is an obvious media bias towards Marvel, when you have articles flying out of the Internet just hours after the BvS trailer leaked about how the movie will be a disaster and how ‘everyone’ think. It’s too dark and how the trailer represents everything wrong with DC films. Please don’t pretend that the media does not automatically give terrible, cheesy, childish, bland and formulaic Marvel movies a pass just because of its brand name. Please don’t pretend that there is a searing double standard when it comes to judging the direction and style of the projects – that when Marvel goes dark and gritty, it’s cool and inventive and refreshing and yet when DC does it, it’s gloomy and depressing. That when Marvel does cheesy and lightheartedness it’s fun and kid friendly, but when DC does it it’s campy and cringey. That when Marvel drops Easter eggs every 5 minutes it’s awesome fanservice, but when DC does it it is blatant pandering and annoying. So no. NO. It will never be united until these MCU fans stop licking Disney’s boots and stop going around to DC websites to bash on other projects. For them, it’s not enough to support their own projects, but they have to make sure everyone else fails. Until they stop, we will keep on pushing back. Until they realize and feel their own mortality. Until they realize that they can bleed… And they will. Marie i have to honestly agree w/you on the amount of criticism i see toward dc projects, especially when it comes to the media. i see headlines on a daily basis that praise almost anything w/a marvel logo & instantly criticize what a dc film has done wrong & can’t do right & how they should take the marvel route in handling something. that’s frustrating alone for any dc fan who is looking for wb/dc to create & present a solid film/tv series. yes, dc has had hiccups in the past, but it’s just amazing to me the amount of ill will/hatred/disappointment i see toward a dc project, especially film wise. i’m so tired of it. Sean Gerber Admin note: Any talk of other fans bleeding is going to get you banned, as it did the individual who left the comment to which Marie replied (to reiterate: Marie was not the offender). I honestly don’t believe there’s any significant disparity in the level of praise or criticism received by Marvel and DC. Any difference in the amount of praise can easily be attributed to the corresponding difference in the amount of content offered. More Marvel movies = more movies to be praised, just as more DC television shows = more television shows to be praised. There are plenty of articles in the media praising DC right now. Most of the reaction I’ve seen to the BvS trailer, from those who saw the leaked version, has actually been positive. THE FLASH is hailed as a gift to superhero television on a weekly basis, and deservedly so. Now, I could just as easily argue that it is in fact your own bias for DC and against Marvel that has left you feeling as though the former gets undeserved criticism and the latter receives undeserved praise. It’s not like the media was just waiting to praise Marvel. As far as movies are concerned, Marvel earned and re-earns that praise, just as DC did for many years. Marvel isn’t immune to criticism, as we’ve seen with AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D., IRON MAN 2, and THOR: THE DARK WORLD. Yes, most critics liked the two films I mentioned and critics have warmed up to AOS this season (also, deservedly so), but those projects have not at all received the same kind of universal praise as others like GOTG and AVENGERS. Remember that TDK, TDKR, and BB all received universal praise (or close to it) from the media in recent years. In the case of TDKR, it’s fans who bashed the film more than critics ever did. The truth is that when a person loves something, he or she is going to be more sensitive to people being critical of that thing compared to criticism of something he or she does not care as much about. Because of that sensitivity, criticism of DC is going to standout more to a DC fan while Marvel criticism flies somewhat under the radar. The DC fan will then have the perception that DC is criticized more often. The same thing happens with Marvel fans feeling that their preferred universe is criticized more often by claims of their favorite movies just being fun, forgettable, or all the same. The mudslinging happens on both sides and neither is more or less to blame than the other. Everyone can do a better job of behaving themselves, respecting each other, and ignoring those who somehow cannot do the first two. The Flaming D Really enjoyed this article. I hope many more will read it stock I think this whole country is being trained to be overly sensitive to just about everything you can have a disagreement about. The permanently offended is a growing cottage industry and the point is silencing all dissent. It’s Orwell’s worst nightmare. As far as Marvel vs DC, well, Marvel gets a lot more play here, but they have put out the goods. Some of those goods aren’t all that, but it’s there. We wait for BvS but a lot of folks, me included thought they blew it hard with MOS. Suicide Squad could go either way and so could AoU for that matter, cuz I don’t like Ultron having moving eyebrows. If you like it, that doesn’t make you an idiot, but that could go either way, too. My view, life, and all the diverse aholes who occupy it, requires adults of all stripes to have thick skins. Like your great grandpa had when he stormed the beach at Normandy, not like when your offended by someone’s opinion about a superhero movie. Matías Belmar #UniteTheTwo Paul McClelland Fantastic article. I have been a fan of both companies all my life and can not understand the idiots who feel the need to hate the other one just for the sake of ranting online. All these idiots should be ignored and us real fans can just get on with loving all the quality product coming out in the movies and TV just now.