Television Weekly Ratings Roundup: November 1 to November 7, 2015 written by Robert Reineke November 8, 2015 Ratings sweeps have started for the networks and all of the comic book based shows are in their regular positions competing against their regular competition. No World Series or Halloween specials going on this week. No new premieres either. The movie business was down prior to SPECTRE opening. So, we were looking at just straight up competition which gives us a fairly good look at the state of the genre on television. We can start off with one bit of uncertainty though as SUPERGIRL came down significantly in week 2 to a still very good 2.2 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 8.87 million viewers. You’d perhaps like to see a little less of a drop than that, and certainly not having THE BIG BANG THEORY as a lead-in hurts, but right now it’s one of the highest ranked new shows on any network. Quality-wise, it’s shaping up well too. Obviously, there are things to work on as far as character interactions and to find what works and what doesn’t. But, I think they hit a home run with Melissa Benoist in the lead and they seem very confident of the tone that they’re aiming for. The “Fluffy” gag, for instance, was pretty inspired playing with the tropes of the genre and “I’d ask for a hug” worked like gangbusters. Those little details give confidence that they’ll get everything humming in the right direction sooner rather than later. Plus it’s the one genre show I can watch with my wife. GOTHAM also did rather well this week with a 1.6 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 4.27 million viewers. Obviously, those aren’t great ratings but given the dire straits Fox is in elsewhere on the schedule, MINORITY REPORT is the biggest flop of the new season, being competitive on a tough night is something they can take solace in. Right now, there’s reason to believe that SUPERGIRL and GOTHAM can coexist. Things are looking pretty good for renewal of GOTHAM at present. I haven’t been following the latest season, but it seems like word of mouth is better. While, I too think having too many of Batman’s iconic villains establish themselves before he hits the scene isn’t my preference, picking a direction and running with it is preferable to floundering around directionless. And, I might give it a chance again when Hugo Strange shows up, so I’m at least mildly intrigued. THE FLASH hit a season high this week with a 1.5 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 3.87 million viewers. Even better, it finished second in the timeslot among all networks. This show is a success for the CW beyond their wildest dreams. I’m liking the way the season is shaping up too. It lacks the emotional hook of Barry trying to avenge/save his mom and the multiple father figures push pull, but it’s been a pretty well oiled machine having fun with the multiverse. It feels like a show where anything is possible, including the Anti-Monitor showing up some season. AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. didn’t fare as well hitting a season low 1.4 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 3.84 million viewers. Still okay numbers which will give ABC justification to renew it, but you have to think that Marvel would like better than being the 4th highest rated comic book show on network television this week. Then again, I don’t know what more that Marvel can do at this point. Jaime Alexander is busy for the foreseeable future on BLINDSPOT, it’s pretty clear that none of THE AVENGERS are going to be showing up on the small screen anytime soon, Samuel L. Jackson is ever busy, and it doesn’t appear that Marvel is going to loosen up and let them play with bigger name villains. Let’s face it, THE INHUMANS have always been more of a niche property than a real draw and it doesn’t look like the Royal family is showing up anytime soon. It’s really up to the showrunners to make the characters that they’ve been given as compelling as they can and hope that excites the casual fan. Between THE MUPPETS not catching on and the crash and burn of WICKED CITY, which will be joining MINORITY REPORT in cancellation shortly, ABC has more pressing concerns on Tuesday, but Tuesday is perhaps the network’s most problematic night. iZOMBIE managed a solid for the CW rating of 0.6 in the 18-49 year old demographic and 1.43 million viewers overall. It’s settled in to being the network’s 4th highest rated show behind THE FLASH, ARROW, and SUPERNATURAL. Reviews are still very solid for the show as well. But, there’s a case for the show not to be renewed or to be pushed to a summer show. I have to think that if you stick LEGENDS OF TOMORROW after THE FLASH, ratings will be more in the 1.0 to 1.5 range. There’s an opportunity cost to keeping iZOMBIE around in its current slot. Can it be shifted to another slot? Possibly, but that runs into network politics including the fact that CBS is due a certain amount of slots on the network for their shows. Arguably, ARROW was the big winner of the week jumping all the way up to a 1.1 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic and 2.60 million viewers. Matt Ryan as John Constantine guest starred so maybe there were a few fans of his that tuned in. Then again, correlation does not equal causation and it’s possible that it was simply a matter of ARROW not competing with the World Series this week. Still, with a well received episode ratings wise and reviews wise, I’d expect that we haven’t seen the last of Matt Ryan as Constantine, although I doubt we’re going to see a revival of his show anytime soon. A Halloween guest appearance on THE FLASH or ARROW sounds like a possible encore. Or even an extended run on LEGENDS OF TOMORROW if it makes it past Season 1. Matt Ryan wasn’t the problem with CONSTANTINE, so I’m happy that it looks likely we’ll see more of him in the role. The big question for the coming week is whether SUPERGIRL has found its level yet. The jockeying of GOTHAM, THE FLASH, and AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. in the ratings will also be something to watch. And, if anyone wants to give their thoughts on the quality of the seasons to date of GOTHAM, AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D., and ARROW, I’m certainly interested in reading them. Weekly Ratings Roundup: November 1 to November 7, 2015 was last modified: February 20th, 2016 by Robert Reineke Related Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.ArrowCBSGothamiZombieMarvelRatingsThe Flash 18 comments 0 Facebook Twitter Google + Pinterest Robert Reineke previous post POP – STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS International Trailer Reaction next post POP – SPECTRE Review And The Future Of James Bond You may also like Weekly ratings Roundup: May 14 to May... May 29, 2017 Weekly Ratings Roundup: November 2 to 8,... 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It’s still a show where I’ve got to fast forward passed the really, really, really stupid parts, but less so than in the early episodes… I doubt they’ll be using that ringing endorsement in their promotional material. Matthew Malecki At first I was hesitant about all the Superman references on Supergirl, but I think it’s growing on me a little. It would be better if we could actually see Superman and the relationship they have with each other rather than have James Olsen play go between. Maybe the show isn’t allowed to fully use the character of Clark Kent/Superman. If so, that would be a shame. Who better to give Supergirl advice and support when she reaches her lowest than her “cousin”. I think audiences are smart enough to be ok with 2 different versions of a character at the same time. One Superman on Supergirl and the other played by Cavill in the movies. oliver_chang I think there’s a theme of “living outside the shadow of your big brother and build your own identity” going on so Superman references are a tool for that theme. Matthew Malecki That makes sense and I get it if that’s the case…but, I feel like they would be shortchanging the story of Kara/Supergirl if we never get to see her interacting with her cousin/mentor. I mean, she wears the same symbol on her chest for a reason. oliver_chang I think Clarke will have a cameo soon, but ya they probably have restrictions from the film studio, would be cool to have Brandon Ruth playing him though hahaha =P Matthew Malecki I thought about Routh playing Superman/Clark as well. Would be awesome…except that he’s playing Rey Palmer/Atom in the CW/DCverse. Not sure if that would be confusing to have him literally play two DC characters at the same time. It would probably be better if they got an unknown actor. Clark/Superman wouldn’t need to have a huge role. However, I would feel like it’s not a proper incarnation of the character of Supergirl if Superman never shows up (I don’t think showing up shadowed and having no dialogue counts). oliver_chang Actually Routh’s Superman is from the Donner universe, so is Supergirl, so would have been awesome =P Too bad he took The Atom… Matthew Malecki Have they (the producers of Supergirl) confirmed that the Supergirl TV show is from the Donner universe? Or are you just guessing based on the tone? oliver_chang http://screenrant.com/supergirl-cbs-tv-show-christopher-reeve-superman/ Jett thinks there’s a possibility that we might not get a Flash and/or Green Lantern film in his mailbag. Kerry Vanderberg I’m hoping against all odds that Henry Cavill would be kind enough to come and do a single day of shooting for an episode at some point. Right now I’m assuming that wouldn’t happen until the 2nd season. All they need is for Geoff Johns to set that up. Other than that, yeah I’d want Brandon Routh to come in and do that, since it’s unlikely that this show is connected to the Flash-Arrow-verse. I’m liking the show a lot, and loving the Flash, but the fact that they keep mentioning and referencing Superman, knowing that it’s completely different from the DCEU is a problem for me. The closer we get to BvS, the more I realized that I would much rather have Grant Gustin’s Flash be in the JL films rather than Ezra Miller, and have Supergirl’s story in the show be better connected to Cavill’s Superman. IMO, I’d rather have that sense of cohesion rather than the shows just dance around all the things they can’t do because they can’t have Batman and Superman appear in the TV shows. Even though it allows the shows to “be their own thing,” it still takes a lot of steam out of them for me, despite the fact that I’m loving them for what they are. Matthew Malecki Are you sure we aren’t the same person!? I agree with almost everything you said and really lament the fact that all these DC shows and movies aren’t connected. However much I would like to see Cavill make an appearance on Supergirl…so far, the show itself doesn’t seem to fit tonally with Man of Steel and what we’ve seen of B v S so far…I’m not sure how they could make a Cavill appearance work. They have to do something with Superman, though. Because all these references to him are going to make fans of the show get frustrated at some point. I wouldn’t say I’m there…but I’ve got one foot on that path. Matthew Malecki I love Grant Gustin and The Flash TV show, but in that regard, I’m much more open to seeing a different cinematic version of the character. I’m just hoping they don’t cancel the show when Ezra Miller shows up as the DCEU Flash on screen. That would be a shame. Robert Reineke The other side of the coin is that I think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been hurt by all the things they’re not allowed to do because it’s being saved for or wouldn’t match up with the movies. Michael Bradley That is true for season one. After the Winter Soldier the series picked up and appeared to learn from its mistakes going forward. Say what you want about them using the Inhumans, but as of right now they are a AOS storyline. I’m sure Civil War will have some influence without bringing down the storyline. Robert Reineke I don’t know, I tend to think that saddling the show with the gray and black aesthetic of the movies has done the show no favors in creating an exciting, vibrant, visual identity for itself. Kerry Vanderberg I agree. The second and third season so far for AOS has been REALLY strong, and they diving pretty deep into the Inhumans and the re-building of Hydra. They are at a place where the story they are telling doesn’t need Cap or Iron Man or Thor to show up, because they are handling their own story just fine. Agent Carter gets to be her own thing too, because of being set in between CA:TFA and any present Marvel stuff, and I doubt Hank Pym will play any sort of role in the show anytime soon, so that’s not a problem either. So I’d say AOS hasn’t been hurt at all, and are running with what they have and doing a great job of it. The current season of THE FLASH continues to excel, and it’s now at the point where I really don’t care about Flash being in the DCEU at all now. I don’t want to see a different version of Barry Allen, as Grant Gustin is MY Barry. I’d be fine if they said that Ezra Miller is Wally West or Bart Allen from the future or something like that, but I really have zero interest in seeing another version of Flash’s origin, his rivalry with the Reverse Flash, lamenting over his mother’s death when he was a child, and so on. A film would almost have to re-visit some of those elements, even if it didn’t take very long to do it, because they need to establish that character for filmgoing audiences. Personally, I don’t want to even deal with that because I had 22 GREAT episodes that did that, and season 2 is continuing to deliver on the character. I say find a different role for Ezra Miller, let Flash remain on TV, and just do a different JL lineup – as blasphemous as that may sound. SiriusScaper I have loved season 2 and 3 so far of AOS (and AC for that matter). I just wish the movie marvel people could remove their heads from their collective asses as it seems the rivalry between them and marvel tv is largely their fault. I mean they all exist in the same universe and it is all about creating a great experience for us, the fans, right (making money)? So why can’t they just work together?! How many times does ego have to ruin creative endeavors?