Marvel News Marvel News #24: CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Trailer Reaction, Plus Spider-Man! written by Sean Gerber March 11, 2016 Sean Gerber and Paul Hermann offer their reactions to the new trailer for Captain America: Civil War (spoiler: they liked it… a lot) including our first look at Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They also offer their thoughts on Sony bringing Venom back into development without the aid of his friendly neighborhood foe. Please subscribe to the podcast, and leave your comments and questions below. You can also send us feedback and questions on Twitter using the hashtag #MarvelNews. Thanks for listening! Subscribe iTunes RSS SoundCloud Google Play (coming soon) Marvel News #24: CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Trailer Reaction, Plus Spider-Man! was last modified: March 11th, 2016 by Sean Gerber Related Captain America: Civil War 8 comments 0 Facebook Twitter Google + Pinterest Sean Gerber Sean Gerber is the founder and editor-in-chief of Modern Myth Media. 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Cap, if he was being true to himself, would recognize Bucky as an enemy of the state, and want him brought to justice, no matter what the circumstances of his actions were. He would also see government oversight of the enormous destructive power of these super-beings as a net positive. Cap is portrayed as liberal-minded and outside of a woman’s body and a church, liberals want govt control of everything, including speech and thought. I know this isn’t real world but that’s always been my beef with this. It wants to make real world statements without being true to real world positions. Tony is a bit of a wild card, but he is a govt war machine creator. He’s also somebody who has been shown not to put too much thought into the consequences of his actions. He created and unleashed a “world-wide STRATEGIC DEFENSE SYSTEM” without consulting any government at all. So, IMO, this is role reversal between the 2 characters that isn’t backed up by their previous attitudes or actions. I’m not trying to nitpick, I’m just pointing out some weird discrepancies to me. How the supporting characters fall into place will have to be explained in the movie, because, outside of personal friendship, I have no clue as to why they’ve chosen their sides. Never read this storyline. That said, I’ve posted before my belief that the major themes between this and BvS are strikingly similar, except this one seems to take place entirely in the daytime. That’s not a bad thing in that it gives the competition between the two a very strong dynamic. Which franchise is going to make the better argument? Which movie is going to hit hardest on this theme? I am excited to see it play out. It’s better than what’s going on in the real world right now, that’s for sure. Sean Gerber Respectfully, I think your assessment of Captain America ignores the character’s entire MCU arc along with his core characteristics and moral center in the MCU and the source material. Captain America is not a government drone. He has a firm, independently-held sense of right and wrong which, in World War II, was in perfect alignment with the United States military and government. It was easier back then. Cap naturally fell in line with the government via S.H.I.E.L.D. when he woke up 70 years later, but as we saw in his very first post-Capsicle appearance, his trust in the government started to fade. Ironically, it was Tony Stark who planted the seed of doubt in “The Avengers,” which sent Cap off to look around the helicarrier for S.H.I.E.L.D. misconduct and he found the Phase 2 weaponry. That was strike one. Then, in “Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” we saw Captain America arguing with Nick Fury over Project Insight, S.H.I.E.L.D.’s plan to have armed helicarriers patrolling the skies at all times. This was not the same as fighting active “bullies” in World War II. As Cap says, “I thought the punishment came after the crime,” and, “This isn’t freedom. This is fear.” What the government sees as necessary to provide safety is coming more and more into conflict with Cap’s own sense of right and wrong. Strike two. Later in the film, Cap learns that S.H.I.E.L.D. has been infected by Hydra from the very beginning. Hydra’s infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D. succeeded by using all of the methods Cap spoke out against in that conversation with Nick Fury. Cap was, in his mind at least, proven right and the government was proven wrong. Strike three. What we have been shown is an erosion of Cap’s trust in the government’s own moral center and its ability to combat corruption. It’s not that Cap is inherently against the idea of oversight. He just doesn’t trust any government body enough to have them do it. As he says in the trailer, “the safest hands are still our own.” As for Bucky, Cap is not immune to his own personal knowledge and feelings regarding his friend. It’s not out of character for Cap to know the obvious, that Bucky was once a good man who was brainwashed into something else, and believe that Bucky deserves better than to possibly be framed (as the trailers imply) and then gunned down by government officials who may have their own hidden and corrupt agenda. This is all very consistent with the character and has been developed more than sufficiently on the screen. Tony’s arc has also led him to this role reversal. It’s not quite as clear or as well done as Cap’s but it’s there. One of the central themes for the character since his very first film has been responsibility. While Tony could and probably should have displayed a little more guilt in “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” I think we are going to see and hear that in “Captain America: Civil War.” The scene in which Tony says, “We need to be put in check” will likely include Tony owning his actions from the previous film. It’s also worth noting why Tony messed around with mind stone in the first place. He didn’t do it out of ego, but the lack thereof. He believed that both he and The Avengers were insufficient to protect the world from bigger threats in the universe. In his own insecure way, Tony thought he was doing the responsible thing, but he was wrong. I’m sure the fact that he got it so wrong after not checking in with anyone outside of Bruce Banner, including the rest of their fellow Avengers, has informed Tony’s current position on the need for oversight. He’s supporting the idea that they all need to check in before acting so that they don’t get it wrong and, more specifically, HE doesn’t get it wrong again. And all of this is in play prior to another incident that we can see taking place in “Captain America: Civil War” that will further inform the position of one of both men and their eventual allies. stock That’s a very well thought out response and I appreciate it, Sean. And I believe you’ve given me somerthing to think about re: CW. Perhaps all that you’ve said will be made clearer to me in that film. Cap is a man of his time, and certainly an example of extreme culture shock. He’s become increasingly aware of how cynical we’ve grown. As for Tony, his penchant for glossing over his own foibles has been well established. But this is also where the blending of fantasy and reality reaches the limits of its allegorical purposes and you just have to go with it as a story-line as the makers produce it. In my world-view, it is Cap who would bring his friend Bucky to face justice, regardless of how imperfect that justice is. To me, that’s who Cap is. But it’s also a view where Tony Stark would be brought before The Hague for war-crimes. I suppose that would be kind of a downer for a movie, but so is a group of heroes splintering off into warring factions. Like I said, I’m becoming very interested, more so than before anyway, in how both Marvel and DC deal with these issues at the movies. I’m hoping for some depth I wasn’t expecting. I want more than just story-board action brought to life. Daniel Van Cortlandt “Cap is portrayed as liberal-minded and outside of a woman’s body and a church, liberals want govt control of everything, including speech and thought.” Nice. Way to generalize. I’d sink to your level on that with a generalized pot-shot at conservatives, but I don’t really care what you say or think enough to bother. stock Then why did you? stock Dan, I apologize if I offended you. This isn’t a political site, so I’m going off my gut instincts. I usually don’t feel much of a need to discuss politics in this genre except to debate a concept. Real world politics don’t apply in most cases, so I probably shouldn’t have put it so bluntly. Daniel Van Cortlandt Ah hell, I’m sorry too man, obviously I care or I wouldn’t have responded. It’s an especially politically heated time right now, so I suppose I’m a bit on edge about that kind of thing. I think the genre can have interesting things to say about politics, but I agree that they usually don’t get deep or real-world enough for there to be any reason to get heated about it. But I will say that personally, as a self-described liberal, I don’t want the govt. to control anybody’s thoughts or speech. Everyone has a right to think and say whatever they want, but I do strongly disagree with organized discrimination in whatever form it takes, and I don’t consider discriminatory actions on the part of businesses or government bodies to be protected by free-speech. Nor do I think businesses should be allowed to harm the environment or the economy. And I think legislation aught to be in place to protect against that sort of thing. I suppose I can see how that might seem like I might want government control over everything, but to me it seems like the only route to equal rights, a healthier planet, and a sustainable economy for all. Just my opinion. stock With you on most of that. Might be only a matter of degrees. This year is bad. The only vote I’ll be making is probably my favorite superhero movie of the year. I can’t even vote this year, it’s that awful. I grew up a liberal hippie kid. It’s only age that’s changed me. Anyway, I do wish Marvel films in particular had a more coherent view regarding political realities, but only because I think they’re sometimes pushing themes without respecting the consequences of those themes. It’s debatable. I know I’m in a minority, but I really think only the Nolan trilogy dealt with these issues with any sense of the gravity involved with them. Anyway, glad to smoke the peace pipe with you.