Batman News Batman News #14: Batman Scripted, Suicide Squad Reshoots, And BATMAN V SUPERMAN Q&A written by Sean Gerber April 8, 2016 Listen to the latest episode of Batman News in which Andy DiGenova, Alex Brace, and I discuss Ben Affleck’s Batman script, Suicide Squad undergoing reshoots and much more DC Extended Universe news before answering your Batman v Superman questions. Subscribe iTunes RSS SoundCloud Google Play (coming soon) Batman News #14: Batman Scripted, Suicide Squad Reshoots, And BATMAN V SUPERMAN Q&A was last modified: April 8th, 2016 by Sean Gerber Related BatmanBatman v Superman: Dawn of JusticeSuicide Squad 1 comment 0 Facebook Twitter Google + Pinterest Sean Gerber Sean Gerber is the founder and editor-in-chief of Modern Myth Media. When he's not writing here, you can catch him as the host of Popular Opinion Podcast, Batman News, and Marvel News! previous post Spider-Man Will Be Joined By His Amazing MCU Friends In His Next Film next post Popular Opinion Podcast #14: ROGUE ONE Trailer Reaction and BATMAN V SUPERMAN Fallout You may also like Batman News #9: Good News For BATMAN... February 23, 2016 Batman News #8: BATMAN V SUPERMAN Final... February 16, 2016 Introducing The BATMAN NEWS Podcast! December 6, 2015 Batman News #7: Will Batman Kill In... February 9, 2016 Batman News #10: BATMAN V SUPERMAN Gets... March 3, 2016 Batman News #13: BATMAN V SUPERMAN Spoiler... March 29, 2016 Batman News #11: J.K. Simmons Joins JUSTICE... March 11, 2016 Batman News #18: JUSTICE LEAGUE Logo, Synopsis,... June 23, 2016 pud333 Great podcast guys. Few things: – With regards to how much money BvS will make, I recall a while ago, near around the time this movie was announced, I felt that BvS would not make 1B. It seems so easy it should, and that’s the expectation, but I was doubtful because of Zack Snyder. Yes, I love Snyder, yes I love BvS, yes I love this world he’s crafted even though I am not 100% thrilled with his portrayal of Superman (By far I do not believe Zack hates Superman. When JL1 is done, he’ll have spent something like 8 years working with the Superman character. You don’t spend nearly a decade of your life purposely working on something you hate and loathe if you’re someone like him.) I always felt this movie would be just as polarizing, if not more, than MoS, and I was sad to see that my prediction came true. – When it’s all said and done, my own personal prediction is that it crosses $900M, but only by the slimmest of margins. If they do release the 3 hour cut as a limited theatrical release, then it should do more, but even then I am skeptical it gets to 1B. Now is that a flop? Far from it. Is it a crushing success? Heck no. $1.2-1.3B would have been a crushing success. (Let’s put it this way: One Deadpool will have done almost as much as the Trinity, without China.) – Here’s where I’m coming from: I invest people’s money for a living and part of my job – actually a huge part of my job – is managing people’s expectations and emotions. If someone comes into my office saying they’re conservative but want an 8% annual return, that’s a red flag. I have to manage their expectations to a more 3-4% annual return over the next ten years. Not 8%. If they are a high risk taker, and want 8%… I still have to manage their expectations down. Now if that conservative investor is expecting 3-4%, and I get it for them, they are happy. If they get better, they are thrilled and I get referrals, and if they do worse, well, I need to start looking for new clients. Perception is reality for most people and expectations go a huge way in shaping that perception. When you have a movie like Deadpool, no one expected it to be this world beater, but it was. Expectations were way low. But with BvS, you have the two biggest DC superheroes, and expectations were through the roof – fair or not. And it did not meet them. I have to feel that WB isn’t super happy. They’re probably “Yeah, it did well” but you gotta figure in the back of their minds, there’s a voice going, “It should have been way better. We left a lot of money on the table.” I think that’s why their stock price didn’t fluctuate much. It’s more like, “It’s fine. It ain’t a disaster, and it ain’t Christmas in March. We’ll make money.” When it comes to return on investment, including the risk they took, you gotta figure they came up short and they know it. They gotta be feeling like those investors that expected 3-4% return, but only got 2.5%. Yeah they made money, but real return after taxes and inflation, probably isn’t so hot. – Now, I normally don’t post anecdotal evidence since it’s usually useless and people can make up whatever stories they want to fit their narrative. But I just want to share my experience. On second viewing, I took four non superhero movie fans to BvS. I look at these four as a good representation of the average moviegoing public – they like movies, they’re just looking to enjoy themselves. One was my wife, one was a friend who reads some comics (no Superhero ones, but he loves Scott Pilgrim and Saga) and the other two are just movie fans. When the Darkseid dream sequence with the parademons came on, my wife was all, “WTF? Maybe this is a bad movie. What is going on?” All four gave it basically a 7/10. They liked it just fine, even loved some parts, but they were confused in other parts and it took them out of the movie. BvS is a movie for hardcore fans – that can be a bit of a curse. There’s a trope in comics, a saying, that goes, “Every comic book is someone’s first comic book.” The idea is you shouldn’t need to know the detailed back history in order to enjoy a random comic book. When I explained all the stuff they didn’t understand, each one said, “Oh! That’s a more interesting movie now. I wish I had known this before.” I feel hardcore fans can keep a genre or character alive in the dark times, but in times like this, when it hits the mainstream, those four people I took – the casual mainstream audience – you need at least a couple to go back for a repeat or multiple repeat viewings in order to really make a superhero movie a smash hit. The hardcores won’t do it alone – and really I think us hardcores give ourselves more credit than we probably deserve – we probably think there’s more of us than there probably are. It’s like when guys say they slept with X number of girls. Whatever number they said, you probably want to divide by 4 and you’ll get your real number. And none of those four said they’d go back again. Heck, I’m seeing it a third time tonight, and will see it again at least one more time. I’ll buy both versions of the movie, and if they release the 3 hr version in theatres, I’ll see that a couple times. So I’m doing my part. But it won’t be enough to help it cross 1B. – The problem is Zack Snyder. I love Snyder, I love this world he created, I am 100% invested even though this isn’t “my Superman.” I want to see Zack’s vision play out to the fullest. But I’m in the minority. The criticisms levelled against him are mostly really unfair – he hates Superman, he’s another Michael Bay – this last one is ridiculous. Just because a spartan apple and a red delicious apple are apples, doesn’t mean they’re the same. Not even close. Snyder has more talent and ideas and ambition in one finger than Bay has in his entire body. But I liken Snyder to a rock star trying to make a double album with 24 songs on it. It’s probably better as a regular single album with 12 songs. I think he needs someone more than his wife and Roven whispering in his ear. He needs someone to just go, “No… just no.” (Insert gif from Family Guy of Brian swatting Peter on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.) Someone has to rein him in, and I think that even though they all came out ahead of this and said JL would be going a different way, WB is probably going to turn up that dial a bit more. That said, I still stand by what I said in previous posts: I wouldn’t go in expecting Snyder to have completely changed his tune. Expect controversy. I just think that’s who he is. When you look at MoS and how that was received, and you look at BvS and how that was received, the common denominator is Zack Snyder. I think it’s a fair criticism to think he’s the problem. That said, I don’t want to see a neutered Snyder film. I understand that’s what’s needed in order to really push JL over the top, but I scoff at this idea of George Miller taking over. Remember his take on Justice League? Everyone wanted to burn it with fire. It’s ridiculous to me that now fans want him in charge. No. I don’t want to see that;. I love his Mad Max films, and Fury Road was the best film last year for me, but stay away from JL. If he’s a producer, fine, but I don’t want to see him directing. Again, sorry for the essay. I intended some quick thoughts and then I began rambling and ranting.