X-Men Open Forum: X-MEN: APOCALYPSE written by Robert Reineke May 26, 2016 X-MEN: APOCALYPSE represents the 4th major superhero film of the year and the third with some of our favorite heroes fighting each other. It’s both wrapping up things started with X-MEN: FIRST CLASS and pointing towards the future with some brand new actors and actresses taking over preexisting characters. Plus, we have Oscar Isaac taking a shot at one of the X-Men’s biggest villains. In short, there are a lot of avenues to discuss. Including the fact that the reviews are mixed, hovering around 50% on Rotten Tomatoes. Sean is no fan of the movie. But, now that the film is actually opening, it’s your shot to provide your thoughts and feedback. It wouldn’t be the first time that the MMM readers disagreed with the critical concensus. What’s good, what’s bad, and what are you hoping for from the future of this franchise? 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Least favorite parts: Everything else. That is all. Adrian Edmondson Wow ZackBop I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. It was like the ’90s cartoon brought to life in many instances. One thing that bothered me was that they didn’t really explain how Wolverine ended up in Stryker’s custody again, but it looks like that might be covered in the Old Man Logan movie. The tag after the credits suggest that a certain geneticist had something to do with it. But it was kinda annoying since the ending of DoFP suggested that he probably wouldn’t have to deal with Stryker anymore. Joshua Nathan Strong Before I start let me give kudos to 20th Century Fox. They made a movie set in both present and ancient Egypt and cast people of color in the roles. Thank you! I loved this movie. I wish it was a little more consistent in tone because it did feel like it forced some humor in some scenes. I thought the opening sequence with old Apocalypse was very exciting and a good way to kick off the movie. Oscar Issac was great but I wish that they would’ve done more with the character, some of monologues sounded the same. And I that they would’ve kept the distorted voice through out. The costume looked good in the film. Sophie Turner was better than I expected. I like that they have Quicksilver an emotional moment. This is the least political of all the X-Films, which is shocking coming from Bryan Singer. My only complaint was it felt like Jennifer Lawrence was forced into a bigger role as the team leader and that might have hurt the development of some of the new characters like Cyclops. I really like this version of Cyclops but it didn’t feel like he had an arc. Maybe if they showcased him being the leader of the XMen and repurposed Mystique’s role, I would like it even more but they can always do that in the sequel. Let’s remember that Scott has a long history with a certain Sinister fellow. I can see Olivia Munn taking over the ‘Mystique’ type role now that Jennifer Lawrence’s contract has expired. Hugh Jackman literally sent the theater into applause when he appeared. It’s hard to see anyone else in that role. The best line in any CBM, was Jean Grey talking about how the third movies in a trilogy always sucks. The meta commentary there is brilliant. This movie is the 90s cartoon come to life. Seeing the characters in their suits was a good ending. The franchise can go a lot of different ways from here. I hope this does well because after seeing this movie and rewatching the previous installments, I love the Fox/X-Verse and hope they don’t revert back to Marvel anytime soon. ********** If mutant blood is a key part of the next film in this series and it takes place in the 90s, I’m hoping for a commentary on the AIDS crisis. Joshua Nathan Strong To answer your questions about the future of the franchise. I hope it goes back to its political roots and becomes something more ‘serious’ like X2 (Which is one of the greatest CBMs ever and one of the best action movies in a while) while keep the costumes that we got at the end of this movie. SeanLM The minute I read that Psylocke has a scene running around Auschwitz in her hooker outfit, I was like “Nope, not seeing this.” They’re free to make whatever movie stuffed with clumsy, heavy-handed social commentary they want. I’m free to not support a franchise that continually shows despicably bad taste in its attempts to add “gravitas” to what is spandex schlock. Joshua Nathan Strong The scene at Auschwitz is one of the best scenes in the movie and it’s an emotional moment in the film. It’s not distasteful at all. Calling Psylocke’s outfit a ‘hooker outfit’ is distasteful. Kerry Vanderberg Plus, keep in mind that Olivia Munn herself wanted to have that outfit design because she wanted the character to be visually faithful to the comics. So, you can’t call it a hooker outfit or that the film is distasteful for making her wear it, as that was her desire as well. stock You can. Who is Olivia Munn? Meryl Streep? I’m the last guy who will ever say, “Olivia, put some clothes on.” But I’m also not someone who wishes Harley Quinn was a little less vampy. In other words, I don’t say Olivia Munn is wearing a hooker outfit as if I’ve got a problem with it. Joshua Nathan Strong It’s still a stupid and tasteless thing to say. stock You waited a month to tell me that? You must really be upset. Joshua Nathan Strong I don’t use Disqus that much, and what you said was tasteless stock Oh, you poor thing. But let me just say, the way you comic book fans treat objects like women disgusts me. That just makes me sick right there! To have that poor girl walk around like that with stretch leather covering only half her voluptuous curves. It’s terrible! Just terrible! Suicide Squad, with that downward looking poster shot right down the Enchantress’ heaving bosom! For shame, Joshua! For shame! Did it move? We’re you feeling all wierd and tingling down there? Shhh shhhhhh! I don’t want to lose this feeling I’m getting off you. Don’t say a word for at least a month and a half. You millenials really need to grow the f up. Joshua Nathan Strong Thank you for proving my point. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is an idiot. stock Joshua, I hate to point another fact out to you, but very few, if any, ladies visit this site. Nerdgasms were created for you and me, not for girls. My term as Holden Caufield standing in a field of rye, saving wide eyed innocents like you from the cruel realities of this phony world is over. But I’ll leave you with this-if you see a woman dressed like Psylocke on the street, and there’s no ComicCon going on–she’s a hooker. And if she looks like Olivia Munn get in line. Cause I’m first. Bye Felicia. Joshua Nathan Strong Thank you Kerry Oreole Psylocke wearing that goofy outfit in Auschwitz is distasteful. CaptainJack Thought I’d throw in another positive opinion to the comments section because I feel this film is getting ragged on way too hard for what it is. I found it to be a good mix of intentional B-movie fun with surprisingly emotional moments as well. Fassbender and McAvoy act the hell out of there scenes, and for all the characters that populate the film with varying amounts of screentime, they are crucially the focal point (despite the thematically weird push to make Mystique an Aberdeen-esque freedom fighter. Thematically weird but not financially weird). Also, am I the only one who now wants a Moira MacTaggert, Indiana-Relic-Hunting-Super-Spy-Adventure-Thriller? Rose Byrne forever. Joshua Nathan Strong It did feel like they were forcing Mystique into a larger role and in my opinion it did hurt the movie. Not that I think about it, it would’ve been better for Mystique to not be in this movie and make DOFP the last time she was seen alive, so you can save her for the sequel and have her be a captive of Essex Corp, since her blood is something that a lot of people are after. And it would make her character more tragic to go from someone who’s afraid to be themselves, to a freedom fighter, to a causality of war. Adrian Edmondson After seeing it a few minutes ago , I thought it was ok , hardly a mess like the reviews have stated but it does have many issues namely with Apoc himself . I kinda wish they went with the actual origin than what was used but it’s the film makers choice . Also my head is hurting from all the continuity errors ( Jean mastering the PF at an early age just because , Hank can now control his change ala the Hulk , and Wolverine meeting a young Jean and Scott ) . The last one might be a mistake on my part so correct me if i’m wrong . Also while the QS scene was awesome , I feel it lacked the impact of the previous movie . I still give it a 7/10 like BvS but another voice is needed to make this franchise stand out besides the one F word they get away with . Waiting for the podcast Sean and gang . CaptainJack Regarding continuity errors, I don’t think it’s a matter of errors so much as it is an alternate timeline that is being created since the time manipulation in DOFP. Things are playing out differently and the ripples of the timeline interference are rebooting and re-imagining in a similar way to Star Trek 2009; some changes will be small, some big, and some things will happen quicker and with different players involved. I think it works to view these changes that way, and not as plot holes or mistakes as I’ve seen some reviewers state. In reality it is a bit of a cop-out for sure because essentially they are just free to trample over established ideas from previous films, and I don’t mean to suggest these changes are done in the most nuanced or delicate ways, but to me it’s not a problem if the new ideas give way to interesting stories and dramatic moments. CaptainJack …but with that said, there are absolutely continuity problems and some major head scratchers even within this new three film timeline (FC, DOFP, Apoc), but generally the future is a blank canvas to move forward with; the trouble is when they directly contradict moments from this new-continuity (the Stryker/Mystique tease at the end of FuturePast comes to mind) 🙂 Kerry Vanderberg I personally LOVED this movie! It’s not as good as DOFP, nor as emotionally deep. Likewise, many of the characters don’t get fully developed, but all of that doesn’t matter to me in the end. Here’s why: as someone who was a massive X-Men fan during the early-mid 90’s comics run and the animated series, this movie worked for me on so many levels. I felt like it was the 90’s comics and cartoon show come to life, but in a more “mature” way if that makes sense. Some major highlights for me: -APOCALYPSE!!!!! He’s probably my favorite villain of all time, because there is no middle ground with him. He’s pure evil, and wants to rule the world because he believes he can and has the right to. Oscar Isaac NAILED this performance! To me it’s as great as a disappearing act as Heath Ledger’s Joker. Yes, it’s that good! I don’t see or hear Oscar Isaac in this film – I see Apocalypse. Voicing, power level, charisma, presence – it’s all there, and I loved every minute of it. That alone makes this movie probably my favorite X-Men film. -Teamwork – while it’s not as developed as it could be, this is the closest we’ve gotten in an X-Men film where they are working together, relying on their powers to help each other. -Fassbender and McAvoy are great as always. But even as great as their dynamic and performances are, I think it’s time to put Magneto on the shelf for awhile. They’ve gotten as much mileage as they can get out of his character, otherwise it will all just start going in circles. The only thing life I’d want to see from Magneto in a future film is some variation on the Fatal Attractions saga. If you know that story, you know how it ends for Charles and Erik. -The younger cast is great! And seeing them in their individual suits at the end was great as well. I hope that if they do another X-Men film, then they focus on the younger cast and have McAvoy’s Xavier as a supporting character. -Wolverine as Weapon X! This is a legendary visual from the comics come to live, and we saw berserker Wolverine just going insane! It was great. Perfect way to use him in the story without relying on Logan’s character arc to drive the plot. -Psylocke – yeah, they could have given her more dialogue, character development, or explained her motivation some more. But to be honest, I don’t care that much. Why? Because she’s a Jim Lee drawing come to life, and that was something I NEVER thought I would ever get to see adapted to live-action. I just wish they would have better articulated her powers, that she’s supposed to be a telepath that weaponizes into a pyschic knife. But oh well, I’ll take what they gave me. -Mystique – honestly, my expectations of the character are so low at this point that she seemed hardly relevant to me. I get the character arc they are going for with her. I don’t think Lawrence is “phoning it in,” but she’s not putting nearly as much effort into this compared to past roles. It’s clear Fox is only using Mystique as a heroic character because of Lawrence’s possibility, so Mystique being anything other than a villain is forced by this point. Yet, I’ve made my peace that this isn’t the continuity of the comics, so it’s not going to be the same. Bottom line, I’ve stopped caring, they’ve set her up this way in this world, I’ll let it be and find other things in the film to focus on – which I did! She’s another character they need to put on the shelf after this. Let other characters move into the spotlight. -The post-credits scene made me squeal! I had to explain it to my friend afterwards, but tease for that possible villain (another favorite of mine) was really exciting! I hope he gets brought into this world somehow (Fox, cast Hugo Weaving in that role please!). Those are the main highlights for me. I’m excited about where the franchise can go in the future. I’d say for future X-Men movies (other than Wolverine 3, Deadpool 2, New Mutants, X-Force, or whatever spinoffs they put out) put the focus on the younger cast which is the main bulk of the team, show the team dynamics, put Xavier and Beast in supporting roles, and leave Magneto and Mystique off the shelf. That’s my hope. As a massive X-Men fan from the 90’s era, this film really made me happy! oliver_chang Ate more popcorns and finger nails than I did at Civil War 3 days ago while watching, that’s all.